Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/24/1994 03:00 PM House HES

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  HB 336 - MINORS COMMITTING CRIMES WITH GUNS AND KNIVES                       
                                                                               
  REP. CON BUNDE, Prime Sponsor of HB 336, indicated there was                 
  a committee substitute (CS) for the bill.                                    
                                                                               
  REP. G. DAVIS made a motion to adopt the CS for HB 336.                      
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY, hearing no objections, declared the CS for HB
  336 was so moved.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 848                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE spoke to the CS.  He stated that the legislation                  
  addresses crimes perpetrated by young people, specifically                   
  youths in the local school districts.  He said there is a                    
  difficult situation between police departments and school                    
  districts in that they are unable to communicate with each                   
  other regarding the acts or the threat of violent juveniles.                 
  He also said the situation exists between school districts.                  
  He explained a scenario where a youth is suspended for                       
  having a gun on school campus and is expelled from school.                   
  He maintained that the youth could enroll in another school                  
  district, and that the first school district cannot legally                  
  communicate with the second district regarding the youth's                   
  criminal behavior.                                                           
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said his intention is to have the names of youths                 
  who have been convicted of violent crimes known throughout                   
  the community, so the community can protect themselves.  He                  
  felt, with that information known, the community can counsel                 
  their children accordingly.  He also felt that by making the                 
  names known, it would encourage parents to be more                           
  responsible.                                                                 
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said the focus of the CS is contained in page 4                   
  of the proposal.  He said the provision states that if an                    
  individual is thirteen years of age or older and in the                      
  possession of a knife or firearm, and has threatened or used                 
  the weapon, the privacy law that protects the privacy of                     
  juveniles would not be applicable, and the youth's name                      
  would be available to the press.  School districts could                     
  communicate with one another, and the police could inform                    
  school districts of any arrests made on violent youths.                      
                                                                               
  Number 934                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY clarified and asked if the youth must be                        
  convicted of the violent crime before the name can be                        
  divulged.                                                                    
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said yes; they are innocent until proven guilty.                  
                                                                               
  Number 940                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT asked again if the police, community, or school                    
  district would not be notified unless the youth is                           
  convicted.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said yes.                                                         
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT was uncomfortable with the idea of a "problem                      
  child," who might be arrested and released back into the                     
  community, into the school district, and into a classroom                    
  setting.                                                                     
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said the youth is not a problem child until                       
  convicted.  He said the youth would be charged, "much like                   
  you or I", and would be innocent until proven guilty.                        
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT felt that most parents would want to be notified                   
  if a child in the school that their children attends had                     
  been arrested for a violent crime.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 977                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY interjected that it would not be legal to                       
  divulge the information without a conviction, but she agreed                 
  with Rep. Kott's sentiment.                                                  
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT indicated the similarity between SB 54 and HB 336                  
  in regard to disclosure of records.                                          
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE stated that SB 54 deals with murder and HB 336                    
  focuses on the threat or act of a violent crime.                             
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT said, "it also includes other crimes... in                         
  disclosing the names of juveniles."                                          
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said "If you recall, I had a companion bill and                   
  if it's still similar... it's murder or Class A felonies.                    
  These things (offenses) are not Class A felonies."                           
                                                                               
  Number 007                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY asked Rep. Bunde to clarify the relationship                      
  between the right to privacy and juvenile disclosure laws.                   
  He asked why Rep. Bunde kept referring to the rights of                      
  privacy.                                                                     
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE stated he was using a more generic term of                        
  privacy, indicating that the current statute does not allow                  
  the disclosure of information.  He said the term privacy was                 
  used to help in describing the problem being experienced                     
  between the police department and the Anchorage school                       
  district.  He said he was not referring to the                               
  constitutional right to privacy.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 040                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY said the bill was an improvement over the                         
  existing law, but he felt that juveniles should not be                       
  protected at any level.                                                      
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE asserted that previous legislation had decided                    
  that some children are capable of rehabilitation, and that                   
  making their offenses known publicly would impede the                        
  rehabilitation process by brandishing them as a criminal.                    
                                                                               
  Number 067                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked if the bill should be held over and if a                  
  subcommittee should be formed, or should it be passed on to                  
  the Judiciary Committee.                                                     
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said, "I don't think your Co-Chair is anxious to                  
  do that."                                                                    
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY said his comments spoke to the legislation in a                   
  general way, but he would support the bill as he felt it was                 
  a definite improvement to existing law.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 096                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked for further testimony.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 100                                                                   
                                                                               
  LANNEA LEE, Representative, Close-Up, testified in support                   
  of HB 336.  She explained to the committee that the members                  
  of Close-up conducted a "mock trial" that passed legislation                 
  on HB 336.  To enable the passage, they substituted the word                 
  firearm with deadly weapon.  She said deadly weapon would                    
  include a knife, an axe, a club, metal knuckles, or an                       
  explosive.  She felt that the majority of crimes are                         
  committed with something other than a firearm.  She                          
  associated herself with the intentions of Rep. Bunde to have                 
  the juveniles' names made public.  She felt the publicity                    
  would decrease criminal offenses.  She further stated that a                 
  youth is in the same state of mind that an adult is in when                  
  committing a violent crime.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 165                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY said she would like to close public testimony                   
  and urged those who did not testify to follow the                            
  legislation to the Judiciary Committee.                                      
                                                                               
  REP. NICHOLIA asked, if the bill was passed, could the                       
  federal government cut all Title 4 funds if there is too                     
  much information disclosed on minors?                                        
                                                                               
  Number 200                                                                   
                                                                               
  DONNA SCHULTZ, Associate Coordinator, Division of Family and                 
  Youth Services, Department of Health and Social Services                     
  (DHSS), replied that she was unsure if there would be an                     
  impact on Title 4 funding, and said she would find out as                    
  soon as possible.  She said there are other instances where                  
  federal funding could be cut due to records and information                  
  disclosure.                                                                  
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-28, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. NICHOLIA referred to Lannea Lee and clarified that                      
  HB 336 addresses violent crimes with the threat of death,                    
  not murder.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked the pleasure of the committee.                            
                                                                               
  REP. G. DAVIS made a motion to pass the CS for HB 336 with                   
  fiscal note to the next committee of referral with                           
  individual recommendations.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 245                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. NICHOLIA said the body of the bill has changed from the                 
  original bill and asked if there would be a relative change                  
  in the fiscal note.                                                          
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE said no.                                                          
                                                                               
  REP. BRICE indicated that there have been concerns that the                  
  Department of Health and Social Services may have federal                    
  funding problems that won't be reflected in the fiscal note.                 
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY said the issue could be addressed by the                        
  Finance or Judiciary Committee if that would be acceptable                   
  to Rep. Brice.                                                               
                                                                               
  REP. NICHOLIA said that was acceptable and recommended                       
  sending a note to the next committee of referral.                            
                                                                               
  Number 288                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY, hearing no objections, stated that the CS for                  
  HB 336 was so moved.                                                         
                                                                               
  (Note:  Rep. Bunde assumed the position of Chair for the                     
  remainder of the meeting.)                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 315                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE brought HB 320 to the table and announced that                   
  there would be testimony heard via teleconference and from                   
  Juneau as well.                                                              

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